By themselves these giant holes in the ground aren’t too much of a problem if they are in remote wasteland; Australia has plenty of mineral and gold mines in outback areas that look like this, too.
But there is a problem when slave and child labour is used, which happens in Africa. There is also a problem when the amount of fossil fuel diesel used by trucks and machinery to extract all this is considered. Is there really any net benefit? What about the fossil fuel like coal and gas used for electric power plants? Is there any net benefit?
The Legacy Media in NZ downplayed the fact that Dear Leader’s government is importing a large amount of coal from Indonesia for the thermal power stations in NZ. What will the need for that be if lots more people start using her taxpayer subsidized EVs, let alone for normal needs by a steadily growing population? Are we building more clean hydro power plants, and if not why not?
These are all considerations that Green Party members and their voters ignore — but they are fundamental to the whole argument.
Roger Dewhurst said:
In my recollection the principal lithium minerals are silicates. If they’re outcrop they can be found relatively easily but if they are buried there are few, if any, exploration techniques to find them. Thus as the currently known resources are depleted the price will go through the roof.
Lew said:
The tree huggers can’t see too far past the end of their nose.
hyden said:
now that’s funny.
Roger Dewhurst said:
Funny??????????? You think so?
hyden said:
Top photo reminds me like one of those political cartoon jokes, that’s what I am laughing about. Apart from that no its not funny having slave labour etc.
cunning5tunt said:
Coal to fuel trains was dug by men and hauled by horse and pony. Diesel being used to mine lithium to make batteries that power most of the tools and devices used today, is like the pit pony a passing phase. Early coal powered steam driven oil derricks are a similar example. There was an outcry in the UK Parliament after Winston Churchill, before becoming prime minister, raised a bill to rebuild the British Navy to run on oil instead of coal. He was ridiculed for that. But they couldn’t have won the second world war with out that shift. Oil as a fuel source is coming to its end also, no attempts at ridiculing electricity powered vehicles or their battery chemistry will change that. What should be used to mine rare materials that re used in the majority of our everyday items? Men and pit ponies?
hyden said:
Control of technology has been going on for long time.
Nikola Tesla had a great energy system that could of been advanced for earth’s inhabitants. Big shareholders gangsters in oil industry which both Winston/Hitler was connected to, funded by the same people, just political nonsense. What happen to Stan Meyer water car etc ???
cunning5tunt said:
Yes Nikola Tesla did have a great energy system, we use it today, the three phase alternating current system. His 3 phase motor design remains relatively unchanged to this day and powers the majority of machinery in use. If you are referring to his high frequency energy transfer system, then we also use that but at a lower power input, it’s known as radio, wifi, bluetooth etc. At higher frequencies that system would create all sorts of undesirable effects and interference. Electrified fillings anybody?
Stan Meyer was a a fraud. whilst a water powered car would be a dream come true, the amount of energy required to split water into hydrogen and oxygen for fuel would require a large power plant no car can tow around. All nice ideas but in practicality there is a reason why we don’t have them.
Now if you want top talk about how fission technology is suppressed, I’m all ears because that is the case, they should be investing far more into that than they currently are.
Speculators may have funded both sides during world war two, it’s what they do and always have done, doesn’t mean that the actual fighting done or the suffering of the common man during world war two was fake.
hyden said:
Have you seen what UFO can do. Being creative and imaginative is the best thing for you.
hyden said:
“Despite skepticism about the legitimacy of a car that runs on water, Meyer was able to patent his invention under Section 101 of the Subject Matter Eligibility Index…”
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/03/12/can-cars-run-on-water/
cunning5tunt said:
A patent is an idea that may working theory but often not in practice. Like I said you would need a power plant larger than any water powered car could tow to make it run on water.
From your link.
“Problem: It takes exactly the same amount of energy to pry those hydrogen and oxygen atoms apart inside the electrolysis cell as you get back when they recombine inside the fuel cell. The laws of thermodynamics haven’t changed, in spite of any hype you read on some blog or news aggregator. Subtract the losses to heat in the engine and alternator and electrolysis cell, and you’re losing energy, not gaining it–period.”
“Here’s the problem, Cheng says: ‘A water molecule is very stable.’ The energy needed to separate the atoms is greater than what you get back — this process actually soaks up energy instead of giving it out.”
Even if you think Meyer split water with resonance frequency, why has no one else done this? And if you believe it so much why don’t you go and do it yourself?
hyden said:
I have read, that journalists have interviewed CIA bosses, these CIA bosses say…’Even they can’t access certain levels of information.
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/05/08/a-rare-nikola-tesla-interview-from-1931-about-what-extraterrestrial-communication-would-do-to-mankind/
The Tesla Tower Has awesome capabilities, all that needs to be done in Tesla’s design is use a concept of a charged conductive upper layer in the atmosphere.
How deep down the rabbit one, does one want to go. This is the control of technology I’m getting at.
Interesting, human just babies when it come to in early stages, and if it was not so suppressed by the like of J.P morgan etc who funded communism, Then the earth would look different. The Tesla tower has great potential. No need to send it through Radiating wireless energy as at present, not until we find better way of transmitting it through wireless, then do it.
But till then why not just send it out like a hydro Dam does, have the electrons flow through a electron DAM and send out through the grid.
cunning5tunt said:
“The Tesla Tower Has awesome capabilities, all that needs to be done in Tesla’s design is use a concept of a charged conductive upper layer in the atmosphere.”
That is a capacitor, the same physics that make radio possible. One plate is earth, the other the tower or antenna, the electrolyte is the air. There is nothing special about it, bog standard electrical physics.
Meanwhile what right do you or anyone else have to tell me I can run an electrical vehicle powered by my own solar array and the national grid?
hyden said:
Ok if you do not want a grid, just means no main industries would be able to run without some type of energy grid, that makes the cars/computers etc we drive.
Again we rely on classical physics we are taught.
The quantum world may bring about totally new technology’s that make it capable to run Electricity through wireless without the radiation involved like with this group…. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/innovation/300236849/electricity-can-be-transmitted-through-the-air.
Also why have leaders, People just need to say ‘No’.
That’s if they are aware of what’s really going down.
None of these wars would happen if people didn’t follow the leader like sheep to slaughter.
To me the World Wars no different to Covid. Orchestrated by the same gangsters, who have their same legacy flowing through the bloods of many today……
I can dream if i want do. One day it maybe reality.
cunning5tunt said:
sorry eddit*
Meanwhile what right do you or anyone else have to tell me I can’t or should not run my own electrical vehicle powered by my own solar array and the national grid?
hyden said:
With no Grid to make the cars you drive,
then maybe you might want to start making your own car.
Like how you told me to start making water split with resonance.
I know what a capacitor is it stores energy, i just wanted to write it my way using hydro dam analogy, sorry mr ‘know it all’.
cunning5tunt said:
“Ok if you do not want a grid” Ok let me stop you right there. Go back and reread what I wrote, because no where did I say that. FFS I’m and electrician that used to work in the motor industry. I have spent 50% of my working life in each trade. I am more than capable and creative enough to make my own EV and Solar powered system to run it. What the hell is wrong with the national grid here in NZ?
I have never bought a new car, never will, the latest vehicle I own was made in 2000, the earliest in 1984.
“sorry mr ‘know it all’.” Mr know it all? No I just know what I am talking about, it is in my ball park after all, sorry if that exposes your hairy fairy free energy analogies as nonsense.
hyden said:
No your just stuck in your classical physics box lol
cunning5tunt said:
“To me the World Wars no different to Covid. Orchestrated by the same gangsters, who have their same legacy flowing through the bloods of many today……”
Now you are just wandering from the topic. I used Churchill’s appeal to parliament to convert the navy from coal to oil to show that it seemed ridiculous at the time because Britain had no oil but vast reserves of coal, but it was the right decision to make, WWII some 24 years later only proved that. I fail to see how I was in any way discussing the efficacy of world wars or how they are orchestrated. it’s irrelevant.
cunning5tunt said:
And you in a daydream, go prove physics wrong and come back.
hyden said:
It is relevant, cause they deal with the energy sector, they the leaders are connected to the organisations who run the energy sectors.
cunning5tunt said:
So go jump up and down about it, stamp your feet and tell them about the Tesla tower and Stanley Meyer’s water powered car. Then demand that they give you these things instead of starting wars. Then you will be exactly like what you most despise, a liberal demanding everything for free and you want it all now! Then when they ignore you, you might just get the picture that they don’t care about you, or any of us, we are nothing more than rats to them, they use wars, diet, information, technology, medication, lock downs and their minions to kill as many of us as they possibly can. Maybe when you realise this, we can stop worrying about lithium mines and extract ourselves from their systems of control and enforce our right to free will, authority over our selves and the right to self determination. Complaining about how bad EV cars are for the environment is just the same as complaining that ICE are bad for the environment. It’s two sides of the same coin, they want you distracted with this nonsense arguing about sh!t like this instead of focusing on how no matter which party is in power the common man always gets bent over and shafted! The parties don’t make the laws the Governor General decides what laws will come into effect, there is no democracy, voting only lets them know that you want them to make your life decisions for you whilst they take 50% of your earnings and print money leveraged on what your fidelity fund is worth, whilst pretending to be the great benefactor handing you back what is rightfully yours to start with.
hyden said:
Knowledge is like a boat/tool and should be discarded or put away when new science comes along. You do not hold onto a hammer for the whole day, once it has been used, let it go. Knowledge is like this.
And with all the manipulated science/knowledge we have from global warming/virues etc
I would not be surprised if they hide real information and limit what is taught at education faculties …limit their education/stop them being creative.
Education destroys our kids/adult creative sides
Like i said we only use the tools we have cause that’s the knowledge we have. Its how its used at the end of the day.
cunning5tunt said:
“I would not be surprised if they hide real information and limit what is taught at education faculties …limit their education/stop them being creative.”
You sound like your not sure that this IS the case. What will it take to make you see this?
A leader paying off the press to be your only source of truth? All political leaders strangely on the same side about a certain issue?
Institutional education is there purely to turn human beings into from filling, obedient slaves that hand their rights over to the government to claim authority over them and pretty much every aspect of their life.
I prefer to deal with things I know for certain, I’m a practical man, willing to experiment but intelligent enough not to waste my life chasing the fabled unicorn.
Nor will I blame those we as obedient slaves give our power to for keeping the fabled unicorn from me for it is me that gives them that power.
It’s childish, like two children, left and right, squabbling over who did what and which one has been bad when they are both equally as abhorrent!
hyden said:
Mate they would kill me off if i tried to break their ways with a new tech, if you do not take there money they will kill you to protect their way of life. Look at history, REAL Technology is hidden, they feed us junk tech to fund there bullshit economy based on waste consumption economy, where they purposely build stuff to break down so there Black Government operations keep going. I have even read they do not teach all the element on the periodic table.
Again you limit yourself by thinking its a unicorn, nature time space etc is not fixed, and when the laws of physics is broken, the classical physics priesthood comes out to attack. Many follow fraud manipulated science like its a god.
You do realize i have never voted as i see through the illusions,…..as its exactly like this…..
“Few realize that political action offers little solution to the world’s major problems. Few understand that the elite have created political parties in order to prevent real change from ever taking place. The political arena is merely the “sty” in which two or more mutually hostile agencies, created by the same hidden hand, get the chance to pummel one another. As alternative researcher Juri Lina so brilliantly put it: When the left wing Freemason is finished, the right-wing Freemason takes over The point has been emphasized by many an insider: The elementary principle of all deception is to attract the enemy’s attention to what you wish him to see and to distract his attention from what you so not wish him to see – General Sir Archibald Wavel The world’s power structures have always ‘divided to conquer’ and have always ‘kept divided to keep conquered.’ As a consequence the power structure has so divided humanity – not only into special function categories but into religious and language and color categories – that individual humans are now helplessly inarticulate in the face of the present crisis. They consider their political representation to be completely corrupted, therefore, they feel almost utterly helpless”
― R. Buckminster Fuller, Critical Path
hyden said:
Daydreaming is the best thing for you. Most scientists have come upon their discoveries by being in a restful state of day dream state.
Another 100 years time physics might be looked back at like the ICE. As advances made in Quantum world may completely change things.
But like today gangsters( bill gates has share in oil and green tech, the wealth transfer scam) they have there shares both in oil and the bullshit green sector, vegan foods etc
So when they bring about the new world created in their image, they will find a way to charge people for the new tech, instead of just giving it away as a need for every human to have power, house , clothes etc
to infinity and beyond…
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”
― Buckminster Fuller
World could be such an awesome place but Sith lords have it all.