by Ian Bradford
The IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, formed by the United Nations, initially declared that humans were putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and that was causing global warming. Then that was changed to climate change because of the embarrassment of at least 20 years of no temperature change from 1998. Then all sorts of weather events were put down to more CO2 and finally methane CH4 also became a problem.
Cows were in the firing line and it was pushed that we should give up eating meat and do away with cows. Perhaps we would have no milk, either!
The greenhouse effect
Most of the argument revolves around the “greenhouse effect.” The basic principle is that short wavelength radiation from the sun, which includes Ultra Violet A, Visible Light, and Infra Red, passes through the atmosphere and reaches the earth causing it to warm. Now the IPCC states that the earth at about 15ºC, gives off longer wavelength Infra-Red radiation (heat), and this heat is absorbed by the CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere and then they re-radiate to warm the earth. As more CO2 and CH4 enters the atmosphere this warming increases.
A word about actual greenhouses: The same radiation from the sun strikes a greenhouse. The glass allows visible light and a small amount of shorter wavelength Infra Red to pass though. All objects within the greenhouse are heated. Like the earth, these heated objects give off infra Red Radiation, but this is of longer wavelength than that which entered. The glass will not pass this out. Consequently, the greenhouse builds up heat. However, if windows are opened, especially in the roof, much of this confined heat escapes into the atmosphere.
There is no comparison between a greenhouse and the earth/atmosphere system. In a greenhouse the hot air is confined. No such confinement takes place in the atmosphere. In this respect the term “greenhouse gas” is a misnomer.
The layered atmosphere
The atmosphere is divided into horizontal layers.
Three scientists G.V. Chilingar, L.F. Khiliyuk, and O.G. Sorokhtin, investigated the effect of CO2 emissions on the temperature of the atmosphere. The proponents of the so-called “greenhouse effect” take into account only radiation from the earth’s surface. (That’s heat travelling by electromagnetic waves). The three scientists found that in the dense troposphere the heat is mainly transferred by convection.
Convection is an actual movement of the particles and is common with gases. The three scientists found that
- convection accounted for about 67%,
- water vapour condensation in the upper troposphere accounted for about 25%,
- radiation accounted for only about 8% of the heat transfer from the earth’s surface to the troposphere.
Methane is a tiny proportion of the atmosphere
The gases near the surface of the earth warm up from the earth, and expand making them less dense. They rise up through the troposphere. Methane (CH4) is carried along with all the other gases. (At this stage that methane is only about 1800 parts per billion (ppb) in the atmosphere.) That means it makes up only 0.00018% of all the gases in the atmosphere. That’s a very tiny amount, but it is known that it is a better absorber of radiation than CO2 for example. This is confirmed by laboratory experiments. But of course only methane was in the experimental container, whereas in the atmosphere there are several gases, all mixed, two of which are in large quantities – oxygen and nitrogen.
So methane along with all other gases rise when warmed. As they rise they cool and therefore become more dense. You will note that the top of the troposphere is at about – 60 deg C. Being now more dense they then begin to fall back to the earth. This cooler air replaces the warmer air of the lower layers. The conclusion is that the temperature distribution in the troposphere has to be close to adiabatic.
An adiabatic process
What does adiabatic mean? An adiabatic process is a process in which heat does not enter or leave a system. The rising and falling of air, as above, is considered to be an adiabatic process. What does this mean then? If no heat enters the system then the air returned to earth will not have warmed above what it was when it left the earth. Therefore it cannot warm the earth. So we can rule out convection.
Here is a graph showing the temperatures in each layer. The red line is temperature.
Radiant heat
Now what about the 8% of heat transferred by radiation? This radiation has to find one methane molecule among 500,000 other molecules. So there is a good chance the radiation will be absorbed by something else. Laboratory experiments putting successive gases in a tube, shining radiation of various wavelengths through the tube and collecting the radiation with a spectrometer, shows that “greenhouse” gases do not absorb all the radiation falling on them. They only absorb radiation of a certain wavelength.
In the case of methane it only absorbs radiation in two narrow bands centered on 3.5 microns and 8 microns. A micron is a wavelength of a millionth of a metre. The graph below gives the absorption spectra of greenhouse gases. In other words the graph gives the wavelengths of the Infra Red radiation (heat), from the earth that the molecule of that gas will absorb. (I have drawn vertical lines though the peaks of methane.)
Note that the vertical lines pass through at least part of the absorption spectrum of water. Water vapour by the way means just water molecules — a gas.
The importance of water vapour
Now water vapour averages about 2% in the atmosphere. It is also a greenhouse gas — the main greenhouse gas, as it absorbs Infra Red radiation in those little shaded mountains. If there is an average amount of water vapour then there are 10,000 times more water molecules than a single molecule of methane.
So starting with a small amount of radiation to begin with, it is highly likely that all this radiation will be absorbed by water vapour (since there is so much of it), before it actually reaches a methane molecule.
It seems clear then, that methane, which exists in the atmosphere in only tiny amounts, plays virtually no part in the warming of the earth.
Reducing methane by avoiding meat and cutting down on cow numbers will make no difference to climate. A considerable reduction in meat consumption will however, increase the chance of malnutrition and nutrient deficiencies, which is something never mentioned by the anti-meat, climate alarmist disciples.
The tiny increases in methane associated with cows should not be the basis for insane regulations or national policy.
REFERENCES
G.V. Chilinger, L.F. Khilyuk, O. G. Sorokhitin: Cooling of the Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emissions.
Watts, Anthony: Methane the Irrelevant Greenhouse Gas, April 2014
Non volatile Technologies Pty Ltd.: The Truth about Man-made Global Warming.
Tufsted, David: Why is Methane Such a Bad Greenhouse gas? Quora, August 2019.
I think the 46 new coal fired power plants planned to be built in China adding to the 1,086 already there will have more negative effects than a few cows farting, bearing in mind that a large coal fired power plant uses 9,000 tonnes of coal a day.
Cows belch more methane than farting.
“A considerable reduction in meat consumption will however, increase the chance of malnutrition and nutrient deficiencies, which is something never mentioned by the anti-meat”
When you call out others on their bullshit for lack of proof or evidence, you better not make the similar unfounded superstitions yourself. I agree with the majority of what was said here but this above quoted section is also bull shit with zero evidence to back up “the chance of malnutrition and nutrient deficiencies”.
A number of countries eat goats meat. Most of the land where these consumers live is arid and doesn’t grow crops as there is a water problem. If they cannot eat goat what is the alternative for them?
Your theory assumes that there is zero trade and every country only eats what is produced locally. Try again.
Environment and climate is big issue, try being vegan during a ice age.
Humans need to be omnivores in this world for true survival.
Go tell Eskimo to go veg head.
Hyden in a survival situation i would kill skin and eat you if it came down to me or you. As it is we are not in an ice age yet so i will continue my diet that gives me faster healing, more energy and a quicker recovery after exercise. I used to hunt and fish, i worked in an industry that saw me working on plant and infrastructure at dairy farms and abattoirs. I’m pretty sure I know more about where your meat comes from than you and have spent the last decade studying nutrition and the effects meat has on the human body.
I have read even Buddha prescribed meat broths for monks. Tibet monk rely on Yaks it just do dam mountainous etc
The Nipata Sutta underlines this point when it says that it is immorality that makes one impure (morally and spiritually), not the eating of meat. The Buddha is often described as eating meat, he recommended meat broth as a cure for certain types of illness and advised monks for practical reasons, to avoid certain types of meat, implying that other types were quite acceptable.
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/dharmadata/fdd21.htm
The Dali lama eats meat and he also thinks you should get the vaccine, so you best run along and roll your sleeve up. Why are you listening to religion for matters of health?
Plant-based and/or fish diets may help lessen severity of COVID-19 infection
Associated with 73% and 59% lower odds, respectively, of moderate to severe disease
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/plant-based-and-or-fish-diets-may-help-lessen-severity-of-covid-19-infection/
The reason why is because meat and dairy promote inflammation in the body, plants, seeds, nuts and grains are anti inflammatory for the majority of the world population. We all know that the spike protein, either from the so called virus or the so called vaccine, causes inflammation through out the body so why would you compound that effect with diet?
I suggest you check out Dr Sally Fallon , i know all about nutrition,
as i was vegetarian for few years and it caused me to lose alot of mass and always low on energy.
https://www.westonaprice.org/
I tell you one thing mate my body does far better on red meat than seeds and nuts.
And religion was a reference cause most people think buddhists are veg heads.
I was a meat and dairy eater for 35 years until I reached the point where i was gaining weight, developing sores on my legs that took months to heal, falling asleep immediately after eating, chest pains, loss of energy, depression, skin rashes. Went plant based for 3 months and reversed everything. I can now do the sport i did in my early 20s and at the same if not higher level. I don’t need to listen to your quack doctor. Myself and friends have proved that a return to meat produces an immediate depletion in energy and increased recovery time after exercise. One of those friends is still a hard out meat eater but he will not lie about the benefits of a plant based diet. He just does it for the taste, because he can’t cook.
Most vegetarians substitute dairy and eggs for meat which is why they end up worse off. Dairy is far worse for the body than meat.
”Plant-based and/or fish diets may help lessen severity of COVID-19 infection”
Again i question your science.
Seems you believe covid is real, when it has not been isolated,
Just a re-packaged flu season.
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/red-meat-food-love-hate/
But there is more to the story. In their analysis of myths and truths about beef (Wise Traditions, Spring 2000),4 Sally Fallon and Mary Enig pointed to studies indicating that meat-eating is not associated with cancer in traditional societies.
I don’t know whether SARs-COV-2 is real or not, which is why I said, ‘so called virus, so called vaccine’.
What we do know is that the spike protein induces inflammation through out the body.
What we also know is that doctors and nurses have the jab which produces spike protein in the body.
What we do know is that after vaccination drives there are always peaks of positive cases.
What we do know is plant-based and/or fish diets may help lessen severity of COVID-19 infection associated with 73% and 59% lower odds, respectively, of moderate to severe disease. Be it from vaccine or an as yet un-isolated virus.
Personally i can do without the mercury and cesium found at high levels in fish.
Hyden, you may like to stand in the rain, I don’t have a problem with that, you can do as you like, but in the words of Harry Callahan ‘Don’t piss down my back and tell me it is raining’.
Again i question your science what are the other factors in environment….as in Bulgaria ….
The diet is simple — goat’s cheese, sheep’s cheese, homemade bread, olives, beans, fruits and vegetables, grilled meat. Many drink wine or rakia, and several — including a giggling 92-year-old woman — admit to the occasional smoke.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-06-24-1998175066-story.html
My body does far better as omnivore on good meats and veg.
I know a acupuncturist, he says the vegetarians he treats are all weak and have bad bones and backs, He has a knows Vegans who have gone back to eating red meat and they feel far better now.
If both diets not done right problems persist.
The mountain people in this southwestern region, near the Greek border, typically live long. According to Dr. Argir Kirkov Hadzhichristov, a physician in the mountain town of Smolyan, the Rhodopi people have the world’s highest percentage of centenarians — 50 per 100,000 of population.
I’d challenge your acupuncturist to the sport of his choice any day of the weak. I work for a living, i don’t stand around poking pins into people. Maybe your acupuncturist only sees people with health issues as generally that is why people go to pin pushers. I notice you said YOUR acupuncturist. So you are obviously far from healthy then, otherwise you wouldn’t need to see one. Nobody spends money they don’t have to on something.
As for all your isolated cases of people in far of lands documented by people on the payroll of groups paid in the interest of promoting dairy, wine, delicatessen style fruit, vegetables and meat, I can point to similar studies but who is paying the people pushing fruit and veg you can grow in your own garden such as potatoes, carrots, onions, beans, and lentils? Big Broccoli?
All these people in far off remote places you keep citing have one thing in common, they don’t eat highly processed food, neither do I. Now imagine if they were mostly plant based.
Just because you have been vegetarian it does not mean you have tried whole food plant based, the former still incorporates animal products and most vegetarians increase the amount of eggs and dairy as they are addicted to animal fats and β-Casomorphine-7, a naturally occurring product of cow’s milk with opiate-like activity. This opiate binds the calf to the mother and calms the calf at times of stress when there may be a predator stalking nearby. It’s why people say they are addicted to cheese, they literally are as it is a condensed solid of milk.
”I notice you said YOUR acupuncturist”
I said ”I know a Acupuncturist” not ‘your acupuncturist’, please re-read.
And again you state it perfectly, these foods all come from the earth not from mass produced farms, and monocrops etc.
Soy and all the agriculture industry’s, Kellogg’s was a big player in saying eat more grains back in old days, just as meat industry does.
I have my own Chickens, many cultures have a cow like in India etc, they need some type of fats Ghee etc has good benefits, then you can have your own pigs, rotation them around, as just growing veg will deplete your soil very fast without regular compost, then protecting from constant attack from insects, Veg plants can be very tedious.
so you can have your own animals just as growing your own veg
I know Taoist vegetarians who swap meat with fake meats like TVP etc, which are just as toxic. And are addicted to soy protein.
You wold not be eating the plant you are if it was not for human domestication.
In the wild these domesticated plants to not survive…
”potatoes, carrots, onions, beans, and lentils? Big Broccoli?
they need constant human care like domesticated cow does, as they will get eaten up in instant out in wild, as they have no more natural defence protection.
Broccoli carrots etc do not grow naturally out in the wild because they are weak.
Humans are the same we have domesticated ourselves.
I do not eat processed foods as well, I grow veg in small market garden.
Fasting is another important thing to do.
Our Hunter gatherer ancestors would have done fasting naturally, in between when they could not get meat.
“Soy and all the agriculture industry’s, Kellogg’s was a big player in saying eat more grains back in old days, just as meat industry does.”
No they said eat our processed grains.
And what is wrong with TVP? It is just soy protein, nothing wrong with it, if you drink a lot of beer the phytoestrogen in soy will reduce the estrogen in the beer you are drinking so you won’t get man tits.
Yes most veg we eat are cultivars but there are wild parsnip and carrot out there, you just have to know how to find it. Most weeds are nutritionally more dense than cultivars, plus they are free, you just have to pick carefully away from where animals urinate and people spray chemicals. There is an abundance of edible fungi in NZ, and they grow fast. Most domesticated farm animals are nothing like their wild counterparts either so not getting what your point is with that comment.
It takes far higher calorific input in terms of both food and energy to grow less calories as meat than, plants.
Yes you can use animals to fertilise, where have I said you can’t? Most fertilisers used to grow grass for dairy come from the oil industry.
I never disagreed with the article if you go back and read my initial post, that triggered you deeply, it was the original posters claims that without animals there would be massive nutritional deficiencies and starvation. Which as I have shown and you know, is just bull shit!
”Hyden, you may like to stand in the rain, I don’t have a problem with that, you can do as you like, but in the words of Harry Callahan ‘Don’t piss down my back and tell me it is raining’.”
Yea well why would i want to do that, I just stating plan simple facts against your BMJ article.
This cow must be addicted to animal fats….
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/when-herbivores-arent-poor-chicken-got-eaten-cow-180951115/
Many other herbivores are not strictly herbivores.
Deer has been seen eating birds, Panda seen eating carcass
A cow will eat the excrement coming out of another cow, do you do that also? I fail to see what any of this has to do with my comment.
”And what is wrong with TVP? It is just soy protein, nothing wrong with it, if you drink a lot of beer the phytoestrogen in soy will reduce the estrogen in the beer you are drinking so you won’t get man tits.”
Well the chinese taoists I know who eat a lot of fake mock meats, tvp included are dealing with cancer and eat veg.
I know 2 already, yet they claim the veg diet is supreme, well depends were you get it from.
You say
”It takes far higher calorific input in terms of both food and energy to grow less calories as meat than, plants.”
Well according to this, its not exactly true…
eating less meat want save planet.
https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g
Marginal lands play a big factor in way domesticated crops struggle, thats why animals use these lands.
”Most weeds are nutritionally more dense than cultivars, plus they are free, you just have to pick carefully away from where animals urinate and people spray chemicals. There is an abundance of edible fungi in NZ, and they grow fast. Most domesticated farm animals are nothing like their wild counterparts either so not getting what your point is with that comment.”
Most wild plants are toxic for human to eat, Again it depends where you live. One could not just survive on these wild plants alone, as many are seasonal. so what will you eat in the winter months when plants will not grow in many areas.
My point is the domesticated cow is just like the plant it needs constant attention.
This really depends on where you live.
Cattle raised in parts of Australia or some parts of the US are heavily dependent on humans as a source of food – simply because those areas are prone to extended drought and not much of anything grows there.
So dairy cows might have trouble surviving, beef cows like Angus would do better, and Highland Cattle better still. As long as there weren’t too many predators, they would be easy prey for predators at start – in some parts of the world, wolf packs kill a lot of cows. Bears and mountain lions also kill cows. They’d be fine. Over a few generations, they would start to become less domesticated, and after a few hundred generations, they would be wild.
”A cow will eat the excrement coming out of another cow, do you do that also? I fail to see what any of this has to do with my comment.”
My point is they have noticed that when these herbivores munch on bones etc its because they may be lacking certain minerals.
When diets are not done right, that’s what happens, craving needing certain things/minerals, like a pregnant women does.
Prevalence of low bone mass in healthy Indian population
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12452513/
Many indian are vegetarians,
many vegans done for damaging their kids.
” ‘It takes far higher calorific input in terms of both food and energy to grow less calories as meat than, plants.’
Well according to this, its not exactly true…
eating less meat want save planet.”
I never said anything about saving the planet. I simply stated that growing meat for calories is inefficient. It takes more calories in for less calories out.
“Most wild plants are toxic for human to eat.”
I can take you to any common ground and you would find that the majority of things growing there are edible.
Give it up Hyden you just can’t argue the point I made in my initial comment so are going of on these daft tangents trying to make a point with nothing but lopsided bollix based on anecdotal evidence.
I’m bored arguing against nonsense I have debunked so many times over the past 10 years. I don’t care what you eat, but don’t try and tell me it is more nutritious or healthy than the diet I currently eat. I’ve been where you are, but I’m in a better place now both mentally and physically.
Get over it an move on!
Look forget this trivial argument. Let’s instead talk about how we destroy government rule and instead install anarcho-capitalism. A far more interesting and relevant topic. I suggest starting with bureaucrats and how to remove them. A sharp bladed shovel instrument works for removing barnacles that grow on the hull of a boat. The barnacles eventually build up and slow and impede the movement of the boat sapping the energy put into moving the boat. We need to scrape the face of the planet and remove the bureaucrats. Any suggestions on how we start?
Women who are pregnant need meat for growing baby.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vegetarians+kids+have+lower+bone+density&oq=vegetarians+kids+have+lower+bone+density&aqs=chrome..69i57.11949j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
TVP will not bring up healthy strong robust humans, you need good animal fats.
That is a google search result, not a peer reviewed study, it means nothing!
I never said TVP should be a dietary staple.
I bet you have no idea who Frances Moore-Lappé is or what error she is often cited by meat eaters for.
”Give it up Hyden you just can’t argue the point I made in my initial comment so are going of on these daft tangents trying to make a point with nothing but lopsided bollix based on anecdotal evidence.”
I have shown plenty of evidence that goes against what you said.
Vegans and vegetarians have less bone density and are shorter. We live in selfish world, were people just think of themselves, we have other future generations to think about.
This is why traditional cultures of the earth had omnivore diet.
Native Americans put their women on special high fat diets when pregnant.
Vegetables and Mock meats do not give the dense energy needed.
If you watch video, it shows that growing plants actually uses up far more rain energy.
The saying that it takes…”so much rain to produce pound of beef” etc.
But Cattle do not hold on to water, they piss it out back into the ground, where it evaporates back into cycle.
US scientists release a new study which claims, calorie-by-calorie, eating salad is worse for the environment than eating meat.
Anyway each to their own.
What evidence? It is just your rambling comments and anecdotes , along with a link to google search results. That is not evidence.
“Lots of common vegetables require more resources per calorie than you would think,” researcher Paul Fischbeck said.
“Eggplant, celery and cucumbers look particularly bad when compared to pork or chicken.”
I don’t eat eggplant and celery, Cucumbers grow on their own in my garden. I don’t see any pigs or chickens growing on their own with a splash of water now and again.
Welcome to the internet hyden where you can find just about anything to back up any claim you want.
Time to stop with the nonsense!
”I don’t eat eggplant and celery, Cucumbers grow on their own in my garden. I don’t see any pigs or chickens growing on their own with a splash of water now and again.
Welcome to the internet hyden where you can find just about anything to back up any claim you want.”
Time to stop with the nonsense!
The splash of water for pigs and chickens when done right comes from the rain itself when freerange.
Yes I grow cucumbers to, and they use far more water than my chickens.
Thing is Vegan vegetarian diets are promoted by bill gates himself.
Give me a link to your peer reviewed study. I hope you realise that these studies are funded by dairy lobby groups and dairy companies, with manipulated statistics to show dairy in a favourable light.
I don’t use google so post a link.
”What evidence? It is just your rambling comments and anecdotes , along with a link to google search results. That is not evidence.”
I have put up plenty of evidence to show that when humans not on well balanced diet, all problems will occur. Not just Rambling, so Dr Mercola, Dr Sally Fallon must be all wrong, I Don’t think so.
” A considerable reduction in meat consumption will however, increase the chance of malnutrition and nutrient deficiencies, which is something never mentioned by the anti-meat, climate alarmist disciples. ”
He is right, people may not starve but they will be nutrient deficient, less bone density etc.
Ok for the elites though, they want a weak population. Bill Gates buying up alot of farm land, and starting many vegan companies up ,you may be interested in them seeming you like . That being said, TVP is a highly processed version of soy, and with whole foods and farm-to-table eating being in the limelight, processed foods are getting a big thumbs down these days.
I can list doctors and anecdotal evidence along with peer reviewed studies that show meant and dairy as the cause of the majority of modern day illnesses that are the biggest killers. But what is the point? My intention was never to try and convince you or attack your choice of diet. My Initial post which I still stand by is that a plant based diet is both nutritious and sustainable. This is still the truth, I have been doing this for 10 years and gone from strength to strength, my friend is a doctor, he’s plant based. I can not be bothered arguing this topic with you, You won’t listen and are incapable of fair and honest discussion, you view this as an attack.
Take this comment for example, “Thing is Vegan vegetarian diets are promoted by bill gates himself.”
So anything Bill gates promotes is bad? I have been doing this for longer than Bill Gates has been interested in vegan diets and investigating in VEGAN PROCESSED FOOD. Bill gates does not promote onions, carrots, broccoli and potatoes, he is into making money, you can’t make money from the above, not like he wants to. He eats meat, so does that mean you are now against meat? Do you now see the nonsense you are arguing? He promotes the use of PCs so are you now against the use of PCs? Is meat and personal computers the work of the devil? I won’t eat processed crap whether it is declared vegan friendly or not.
Time to give this one up and move on.
I’m only responding now to see how much more drivel you will continue to type and how much energy you will waste on this.
That is a google search result, not a peer reviewed study, it means nothing!
I never said TVP should be a dietary staple.
I bet you have no idea who Frances Moore-Lappé is or what error she is often cited by meat eaters for.
Here is peer review here
If you type in ”peer review on less bone density among vegetarians/vegans, a peer review will show up by BMC medicine…..’Vegetarian and vegan diets and risks of total and site-specific fractures: results from the prospective EPIC-Oxford study’
Give me a link to your peer reviewed study. I hope you realise that these studies are funded by dairy lobby groups and dairy companies, with manipulated statistics to show dairy in a favourable light.
I don’t use google so post a link.
Cunning5tunt. You just pissed off caused i prove your comment was not correct.
Again I should not have to do the searching for you, for some reason i can find many studies that prove my case that. People on poor nutrition have less bone density’s etc. His comment in article is correct.
Weston price foundation has many good Articles, dr Mercola and so many others,
I prove my case.
Just look at history, It has even been shown in the Archaeological records that when humans switched to Agricultural diet….”Results showed that human hunter-gatherers from around 7000 years ago had bone densities comparable to that of Orang Utans, whereas farmers who inhabited the same areas 6000 years later had a significant reduction in bone density of around 20%, making their bones more susceptible to fracture.
You proved nothing. Try eating only meat and dairy, you will end up ill and have a reduced lifespan. Eating only plants and you will be healthy and have an extended lifespan. Studies on Adventist communities prove this. They don’t drink, smoke or take drugs. Some eat only plant based diets, others include meat, others include meat and dairy. They are the perfect study group for proving this kind of thing. These studies are not funded by groups such as dairy and meat lobbyists so there is no conflict of interest. That is the first thing to check on any study. I mean would you trust a pfizer study telling you that their vaccine is safe and effective?
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/adventist-health-studies/
I don’t need to prove anything, its already been proven. I just can’t be bothered putting too much time into trying to change your mind because it will never happen. You suffer from cognitive dissonance on this topic.
“Results showed that human hunter-gatherers from around 7000 years ago had bone densities comparable to that of Orang Utans”
Yeah they also had similar mental capacity too. LOL!
Do you live in a cave?
you live in a cave buddy, talking to brick wall.
from my own experience and many others ,I eat meat veg and fruit and it does me fine, Compared to the vegetarian diet I tried did not cut it, i am very active, Where are the world champion vegans etc.
Again a well balanced omnivore diet is the way.
”Studies on Adventist communities prove this. They don’t drink, smoke or take drugs. ”
Ok so you promote your truth, you do realise truth is paradoxes, My truths are truths just as much as your so called truths.
Again i proved to you when i sent about Bulgaria people, long life’s and actually have a bit of alcohol and smoke sometimes, eat meat, olives, veg, they are do not have stress is a main factor.
Also, oldest lady in the world Jeanne Louise Calment she smoked,
The proof is a tiny French woman who smoked and still lived for 122.5 years. Jeanne Louise Calment was born in February 1875 and died in August 1997. This vivacious lady was only 4’11” tall (150 cm) and weighed a mere 99 pounds (45 kg)
Also you do realise human brains have being getting smaller, since hunter gatherers maybe thats why this new breed of humans are so stupid….
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-human-brain-has-been-getting-smaller-since-the-stone-age
Keep mocking mate, you lucky the environment is nice and warm at moment for you to be veg head.
You will have to adapt if it gets cold
Again you mock our ancient ancestors, you would not be here if it was not for them surviving how they did.
Go talk to Australian aboriginals mate.
I have, Dr Mercola and Sally Fallon are not mainstream, and their is reason for this.
Plus The Weston price Foundation is a non profit organisation started by Dr Sally Fallon.
Again looks like oldest lady Jeanne Louise Calment had awful diet supposedly, but she did eat a lot of red meat.
It is said ”Even at a very old age, her breakfast was still modest. She would eat cake rusks and drink coffee with milk. Calment loved braised beef and hated boiled fish. She said if they gave her an option, she would choose fried and spicy food. Still, they kept her on bland options on the menu. With every meal, she had dessert and would often prepare herself fruit salad with bananas and oranges. After every meal, she’d have a Dunhill cigarette and drink a small amount of port wine.”
Seems Stress again is big factor,
“Results showed that human hunter-gatherers from around 7000 years ago had bone densities comparable to that of Orang Utans”
Yeah they also had similar mental capacity too. LOL!
Do you live in a cave?
Funny you say that, because many studies have found that many domesticated animals far more stupid than wild animals.
Why might domestication have bred stupidity? Well, there is the obvious reason: intellect isn’t a trait we selected for first.(sounds like the elites)
Of course, all of this is confused by the fact that “intelligence” is an amorphous and often hard to quantify concept, particularly in anything that isn’t human. While we can give people SATs or IQ tests (which are controversial enough as measures of intellect),
In many cases, the answer appears to be yes. Dogs, for example, appear to be a few crayons short of the box when compared to wolves. A study in 1985 found that wolves vastly outperformed malamutes in getting a food dish from a series of complex puzzle boxes.
In the end, it’s hard to say if domesticated animals are in truth dumber than their wild relatives without further, more rigorous studies. If they are, though, would it really be that shocking? We don’t prize intelligence all that highly in our own society – just look at the popularity of celebrities like Paris Hilton. Why should our animals be any different?
Differences in husbandry practices between several breed categories align with a range of human engagement, which also aligns with the degree of selection for docility.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2021.0813
”Docility”, exactly what the elites through history have done.
As George Carlin said…”
You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty
https://electroverse.net/climate-models-overestimate-co2s-impact-on-global-temperatures-by-factor-of-5/
After a detailed assessing of the role of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere, they assert: “we have a contradiction with the results of climatological models in the analysis of the Earth’s greenhouse effect.”
1. Climate model calculations of CO2’s impact on global temperatures are in error by a factor of 5 as a result of “ignoring, in climatological models, the fundamental Kirchhoff law” which says radiators are “simultaneously the absorbers.”
2. Change in the concentration of an optically active atmospheric component (like CO2) “would not lead to change in the outgoing radiative flux.”
3. CO2 molecules “are not the main radiator of the atmosphere.” Water vapor molecules are, and thus they “may be responsible for the observed heating of the Earth.”
Yes the problem is the temp. of the earth has not changed for the past 20 years. Yet on TV tonight some NZ scientists have put the recent floods in Canterbury down to global warming!!
Goodday and appreciated.
Usually I don’t like writing comment but some comments here irritated me.
I found here while I was browsing for another title.I have studied veterinary and also a freelancer investigative journalist he who is addicted to walk against official narrative thus I have collected thousands of paradoxes in the media games. For me as an ordinary person the main point is that Air means 21% Oxygen + 78% Nitroglycerin + 1% others. The mentioned knowledge is enough to debunk the whole package. On the other hand, a 500kg cow can’t fart 500 liters methane a day ( based on Times article), that means a 80kg man can’t excrete 80 kg feces and urine daily.! In addition, most veterinary schools don’t teach about cow’s far to their studentst but the main subjects aret anatomy, physiology, diseases, genetic biochemistry…
And, nobody knows that how many percent of GHG comes from livestock! personally during past 10 years I have seen from 4% to 87%..btw, the story of vegan is a likely story, cuz meat contains of special amino acids which are unique and as based on my lame knowledge no plant on earth can have all of them at once.
The next target for them would be cities sewage cuz they can produce higher level of methane than farm animals. It reminds me of the movie Soylent Green in 70s but how care? The majority? So who should follow the Judas Goat?
God’s creatures are flawless unless you live in a satanic era and his devotees cult rules.
Sault & don’t give up easily cuz we are the last generations of free people in their New Normal Epoch.
“the story of vegan is a likely story, cuz meat contains of special amino acids which are unique and as based on my lame knowledge no plant on earth can have all of them at once.”
This was a myth started when Frances Moore Lappé published a book in 1971 where she stated that plant proteins are not complete proteins because no plant protein contains a full array of necessary amino acids and as a result certain plant foods must be eaten with other certain plant foods to give a comlete amino acid array to match that of meat.
10 Years later she retracted that statement as it was based on the asumption that the amino acids required to sustain healthy human life should match those found in meat. Which is incorrect and it was found that all plant foods contain the essential ammino acids required.
The fact is that calorie for calorie plants contain all the vitamins, minerals and ammino acids. It is meat that is vitamin defficient, but we never get warned about that. As long as a person is eating enough calories on a plant based diet, they are getting all the nutrients they require in a healthy diet.
We need only 2.5 to 11% of our calories as protein, according to peer-reviewed research and the official recommendations. That amount is easily supplied by common vegetables. Vegetables average around 22% protein by calorie, beans 28%, and grains 13%.
When we compare the actual requirements to what plant foods actually contain, we find that basic plant foods aren’t incomplete at all. They all have every essential amino acid, in excess of what we need. Beans are a complete protein by themselves, but even carrots are a complete protein. Tomatoes are a complete protein. Celery is a complete protein. Even iceberg lettuce is a complete protein.
Those who would object that we can’t eat enough lettuce to satisfy our protein needs are wildly missing the point. The point of using a day’s worth of calories for a single food is simply to show mathematically how the food measures up, not to suggest that anyone could or should eat only a single food. These plant foods are complete no matter how much or how little of them you eat. That is, if only 1% of your diet is lettuce, then lettuce supplies more than 1% of your protein and amino acid requirements.
If you believe what you say about “special amino acids” please indicate which of the 9 essential ammino acids are lacking in plant foods that is present in meat.
– 1st, based on moral etiquette, when somebody clearly talk to your neighbor, you can’t open your door to answer him just cuz you heard them and you know better scientific answer, it could be considered as some sorts of inferiority complex, psychological nodes or……
Plus, my comment wasn’t just a para.
2nd, if someone has a private lab and also a garden so can test all his plants by himself to find their percent of nutrients in each, he is very lucky, otherwise nobody knows where a product comes from and what was its conditions. In addition, official references nowadays endorse that masks work 98.7% and n millions die daily cuz of a fatal virus, but in reality and practically, not.
3rd, I never said “essential amino” cuz amino acids are like numbers, their ultimate combination is important not just 9 essential ones. 25 is neither 2 nor 5.
CH4 is nothing but carbon and hydrogen, wondering if Methane has the same traits
4th, mammal body is far complicated than a plant so that their products texture should be different. We can’t build a jet in a rickshaw or toktok factory. In addition, Gold and iron both come from stones and soil, but not comparable at all, Let alone biochemistry field.
5th, human body is not that Professor Dr Guru Horrori says, coz e.g. digestion organs without nerve sys, respiratory sys, blood sys and .etc can’t work.
Btw, I haven’t seen a vegan toddler, teen or professional bodybuilder yet I dunno maybe I live in a backward society.
6th, food doesn’t mean just essential nutrient based on official tables and labels,it needs many considerations practically. I bought Cuban fish powder and based on official table and also its labels should provide me 60-65% protein, I sent it to our lab and they said it’s about 50%, then how? It costs me to feed and keep animals more not others pockets.
7th, being vegan or not is a personal choice, who else cares about your or my diet? Everyone can eat whatever he wants as long as the New Normal hasn’t been replaced fully. Nobody even 10 Harvard scientists can’t force me while I, myself alone live in this body for decades.
At last, CCN said “scientists have found that cuckoldry is good for couple relations”, so should ppl accept that cuz science said and cuckold society is lawful?
Even in natural science such as mathematics which is almost absolute and clear, 10 divided by 3 = 3.333333333….
We are living in a relative world
Good luck