by Dr. Hylton Le Grice CNZM, OBE
The position in New Zealand is really quite simple.
‘Māori’ are said to be 16% of the population, but this is entirely incorrect because, most of those people who say they are ‘Māori’ have less than 50% Māori genetic background. However, let’s be generous here and say that perhaps one eighth of these people have more 50% or more Māori genes in their makeup.
That means that only 2% of our population, about 100,000, have the technical right to call themselves Māori. The other 14% illogically deny the majority of their genetic background. This is simply irrational and could not stand up in a balanced debate.
Why do these people then deny the majority of their genes? I am 1/4 Scottish, 1/4 English, and say 1/16th French — but I do not call myself French, Scottish or English. I am simply a New Zealand citizen who has one vote, in what until very recently was one of the great democracies in the world — and a country where females were first given the vote.
There can be only one reason for that 14% of the population who dishonestly call themselves Māori in having less than a preponderance of Māori genes — and that is that they wish to part of a society that for some dishonest reason gives them advantages that the vast majority of New Zealanders do not have:
• Their group get special seats in Parliament — where the Royal Commission on Electoral Reform which introduced MMP voting, said should be abolished
• Their so called ‘Māori’ businesses and property get privileged Tax and Rates reductions — often they pay Nothing!
• They get privileged entry to University where in a competitive situation, the % marks gained in entrance examinations are set at an unjust lower level. For instance a set number of people with much less than 50% Māori generic background (as low as 1% if established) can gain entry to Medical School with 70% marks! Compare this where recently a third generation non-Māori who wanted to follow his Father & Grandfather as a surgeon, was denied entry to the Medical School with marks of not 70% — but in excess of 94%!
• In a disgraceful situation where English is often the Official International Language (to pilot an aircraft landing in Croatia you can’t talk Croatian, you must speak fluent English) we have unbelievably in NZ 50% (perhaps more) of school leavers who have inadequate abilities in spoken or written English — and yet this present Government intends laughably to make the teaching of Te Reo Māori, a compulsory subject, and are spending many millions of Ttaxpayer money on this project. This is so irresponsible and irrational, but the presently ‘woke’ National Party as the Government’s official ‘opposition’ seemingly does not to ever want to dispute this situation. The only way for people to progress in the world and to benefit NZ is to be able to speak, write, and read English — to a high standard.
• At the present time this corrupt Government is creating a Health Service where ‘so called’ Māori will get preferential treatment ahead of all other New Zealand citizens. This is immoral, irrational, ‘racist’, and against all the principles of Hippocrates.
And so the list goes on — where supposedly disadvantaged ‘Māori’ with as little as as 1% of Māori genetic background become one of the most privileged group of people in the world.
How could any average, honest, hard working, New Zealander possibly tolerate a situation, that has neo-Marxist connotations to it. Perhaps this is understandable with our Prime Minister previously having been the President of the Marxist Socialist Youth International.
What we have is unacceptable racist outrage — where it must be understood that no racist society in the world has ever survived.
hyden said:
But if you talk to one of them about this. If you isolate one of them, you sit them down rationally, and you talk to them about the low IQ’s and the dumb behavior and the bad decisions. Right away they start talking about education. That’s the big answer to everything. Education. They say “We need more money for education. We need more books. More teachers. More classrooms. More schools. We need more testing for the kids”. You say to them, “Well, you know, we’ve tried all of that and the kids still can’t pass the tests”. They say, “Don’t you worry about that. We’re going to lower the passing grades”. And that’s what they do in a lot of these schools now. They lower the passing grades so more kids can pass. More kids pass, the school looks good, everybody’s happy, the IQ of the country slips another two or three points and pretty soon all you’ll need to get into college is a fucking pencil. Got a pencil? Get the fuck in there, it’s physics…Geogre Carlin,
hyden said:
Geogre Carlin….
But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this. There’s a reason that education sucks. And it’s the same reason that it will never ever. Ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF THIS COUNTRY DON’T WANT THAT. I’m talking about the real owners now. The real owners. The big, wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians… they’re irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. YOU DON’T. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. YOU HAVE OWNERS. THEY OWN YOU. THEY OWN *EVERYTHING*! They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, and city halls. They got the judges in their back pocket. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear!
Nova said:
This needs to be publicly broadcast everywhere as often as possible, especially around the Machiavellian scoundrels in the wasp’s nest.
Simon Meikle said:
And of course will Maori pay for this…….
No.
We the ordinary Nz citizen taxpayer is expected to stump up for all of this.
At some point there will be a revolt.
Grant Redwood said:
Nicely put, so true,
Wayne said:
Dr Grice’s premise, that to be a Maori one needs to have 50% more of Maori genes, is incorrect. I don’t know the basis for his definition, but the Māori Land Act and numerous other statutes define Māori as “a person of the Māori race and includes any descendant”. By identifying as Maori does automatically mean it excludes claiming French, Scottish or any other ancestry and you can be both Maori and a New Zealander. While Dr Grice is primarily descended from European ancestry he willingly denies the majority of his genetic background and calls himself a New Zealander but disparages Maori who “illogically deny the majority of their genetic background.”
Of more concern is his racist claim that ‘Māori’ businesses and property get privileged Tax and Rates reductions. Where businesses qualify as Charitable Trusts, all expenditure and operations are assessed to ensure they are ‘charitable’ as defined by law. For businesses with taxable income, applicable income tax is paid on this income. Why is he singling out Maori businesses rather than all social, religious or other not for profit organisations?
In another example of a half the truth racist statement, he highlights the Māori sub-category as an example of privileged entry into medical school, completely ignoring the New Zealand Resident Indigenous Pacific Origins, the Socioeconomic Equity and the Refugee sub-category entry applications.
Next Dr Grice lays the blame of the 50% of school leavers who have inadequate abilities in spoken or written English (really?), to the governments promotion of Te Reo. Legislation (The Maori Language Act 2016) requires the Crown to develop Māori language strategies to support the revitalisation of the Māori language, including by promoting an increase in the number of people speaking the Māori language and improving their fluency in that language.
Unacceptable racist outrage?
hyden said:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/one_tax_law_for_all_apparently_not
Many New Zealanders will be shocked to learn that New Zealand is unique in the Commonwealth in allowing organisations whose membership is defined by blood to qualify as “charitable”. We believe that companies should be required to pay taxes, no matter what the racial or ethnic background of their ultimate shareholders.
Andrew Gladwin said:
Not the country it once was with adern and her agenda in line with w.e.f and w.h.o and all this rubbish with giving back the country and all the handouts to maori this country will become a backwash of two islands to expensive to live in and to exspensive to visit and quite frankly not worth the time adern will stop at nothing to ruin us all and now with this lot bhind them the country’s wrecked there is no democracy here last I heard a vote is needed like with flag to change but no we get this shoved down our throats as with anything they consider like 3 waters the closing of marsden point and this matariki crap look where we are now because of it this family and many others I know are leaving nz for good to ashamed and dissapointed at what this country is becoming
fred said:
we have already come down from requiring a true blood to be 100%. As time goes on I guess just 1% will give extra taxpayer privileges while the few so called elite continue with their rip off of the country. Really enough is enough.
Phoenix57 said:
As someone who is part Maori i have been fully against the policies of the last few years in which a separatist agenda has been forced upon the nation. I believe in New Zealand. A civilized Western Democracy where all citizens are equal before the law and have equal rights. Not the nonsense ideology of the loony left and woke crowd.
Waikanae watchers said:
Cheers, bro. We know several others who feel the same way. As we’ve pointed out several times, ordinary Maori don’t benefit from all this, but they receive the backlash from public perceptions of it.
Wayne said:
You have pointed it out (that ordinary Maori don’t benefit from all this) several times, but yet to provide any reference or evidence.
Waikanae watchers said:
kia ora “Wayne” etc – we haven’t heard from you recently. You saw this article last year, read the comments on the Reddit link given. This is clearly touching a raw nerve with your iwi group. Looks like it’s time for an official forensic investigation eh? https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/06/01/how-much-do-ordinary-maori-benefit-from-the-rich-maori-corporations/
Joe Descartes said:
This is racism, pure and simple. You poor saps – denying the reality of the changing face of Aotearoa to one of multi-culturalism and co-Governance is just living in the past – a past that has seen Māori suffer in a post-colonisation world.
Firstly, we have a Treaty that guarantees Māori certain rights and ownerships. Despite the fact that the Crown (represented by the Government of the day) ignored this for decades, illegally stealing Māori land, Māori worked through the courts rather than take up arms – something that would be justified in my opinion.
Reparation for land stolen (yes, stolen, and if you dispute this, you’re either a fool or lying) is barely enough to compensate for that which was taken.
It does filter down through the Iwi and Hapu system to those at the bottom, but they need to show their tribal affiliation. Obviously only those in a particular Iwi will share the returns given to that Iwi.
As for co-governance, opposition to this is grounded in the belief that Māori are incapable of governing well – a belief that a patriarchal, white governance is the only valid one is racist and backward.
Trigger words like “pure blood” – a white supremacist dog-whistle if ever there was one – and “One People” ignore the reality that the British came here and colonised Aotearoa (there’s ample evidence Māori called this land that so take your objections to the name and go back to England) and then systematically robbed Māori of their lands and their rights.
Get used to the future because it’s happening whether you like it or not.
hyden said:
You are a fool, doesn’t mean we keep following the same cycle by giving more rights to some than others. We need to moving forward together.
Tell me, like comment above from part Maori fellow, does he see any of the benefits the Elite Maoris/Europeans get.
Tell me about Maori life before Europeans arrived, Maori constantly stealing each others land in inter-tribal warfare.
Maori were robbing Waitaha people long before we arrived
hyden said:
How is giving more percentage of vote to Maori voters co-governance? you make no sense
should be equal vote for all New Zealand citizens.
you must also love 3 waters
Joe Descartes said:
1. There’s no proof this guy is Māori other than his claim.
2. In recognising the rights of Māori under the Treaty of Waitangi, we are, in fact, changing the cycle, and explicitly NOT following the same cycle.
3. Māori had their lands stolen and their lives marginalised for two centuries. The outcome is higher imprisonment rates, poorer education and health outcomes that cost us all. Providing an alternative path forward is not only morally correct, but benefits the whole country.
4. Who cares what Māori did before Europeans arrived? The fought the British to a draw and the Crown made a deal to recognise Māori rights, which it then ignored for two centuries.
5. Co-governance is much more nuanced than one vote for one person and you misrepresent things because at the bottom of it, you think Māori are incapable. That’s white supremacist bs. You and your ilk are buried in the past. The rest of us are moving to a better future.
hyden said:
Your claims of Treaty are just Claims.
My best friend Mr Hata is part Maori, even he is against all this. And many others also, thats why you Government baboons are still trying to blah blah ya way through.
In recognizing the rights of Māori under the Treaty of Waitangi, we are, in fact, changing the cycle, and explicitly NOT following the same cycle.
Your perception of “Not following the same cycle” seems very strange.
How is it that Rotorua ……https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-council-representation-bill-cannot-be-justified-attorney-general/FISDTUCJOZHW7LKQMWEF2IIENE/
Sir Apirana Ngata was not incapable,
The 1840s were a time of prosperity for a lot of Maori villages. –Historian Judith Binney
Even before 1840, Maori, in Northland in particular, were cutting and selling timber and flax, working on ships — which in some cases they owned themselves — and built flour and flax mills.
Maori, especially in villages close to the growing colonial settlements, proved to be very adaptable and enterprising. Once new vegetables, fruit, vegetables and stock from Britain and New South Wales were introduced to New Zealand, the tribes, led by women, were soon producing surpluses which they sold to settlers. Canoes would regularly tie up at Te Aro in Wellington full of food to sell. Settlers were a ready market and happy to pay fair prices for the produce.
Also when did I ever say “Maori are incapable” You are putting words into my mouth with your poisonous political jabbing tongue.
Seems like your CHANGE you are looking for will not come easy, Will Labour even be in power in year or so?
You say it will benefit the country, but who really is it going to benefit when the funds never arrive to the people that needs it. Also have not we been doing this already now for many years Maori Iwis have been making hundreds of millions of dollars through their business enterprises.
Absolutely nothing in Te Tiriti O Waitangi allows for such things as segmenting off large lumps of New Zealand’s precious resources like fisheries to be given exclusively to Maori.
You say “Who cares what Maori did before Europeans arrived,…..”
One of the oft repeated lies about our history which many historians and Maori activists promote, supported by the media, is about land confiscated by the colonial government in the late nineteenth century. The word “stolen” is often used on this issue. Ngati Toa had lived in the Kawhia area before migrating to Kapiti. Their lands on the west coast of the Waikato were confiscated by other tribes, but no land was stolen from the tribe in Kapiti.
Sir Apirana Ngata was right
Sir Apirana Ngata, the great Maori leader and national politician was a man of integrity. He explained the Treaty in 1922.
He is clear about the following:
Maori ceded sovereignty to the Queen. (Article 1). This means the government of all their lands.
In Article 2 : “ The Queen of England confirms and guarantees, to the Chiefs and Tribes and to all the people of New Zealand the full possession of their lands and all their possessions… The version used by the Waitangi Tribunal had “all the people of New Zealand” deleted so that it applies only to Maori.
Taonga meant possessions not treasures.
There is no mention of forests and fisheries in Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
Furthermore the original Te Tiriti makes no mention of a partnership or “principles.”
So which translation of the TREATY are you using?
Lynda Brooks said:
Only a percentage of Maori have suffered from colonialism. All my relatives are very well off with homes and well educated. What happens to the poor who are not Maori, or is it their fault. Poverty escalated in NZ when Roger Douglas brought in Neo liberalism. Until this country recognizes that the socioeconomic status of a child determines how well they get educated and how well their health is maintained. Children need a warm house to live in and food in their bellies to learn regardless of ethnicity.78,000 Maori children live below the poverty line and 200,000 non Maori live below the poverty line in NZ
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Brian Johnston said:
It has nothing to do with race.
What we are witnessing is a coup.
The Paul Spoonleys have done a grest deal of damage.
The question that needs answering is. Who is changing NZ legislation to accommodate the coup?
The changes are Fabian Socialism. The Treatyists have been conned and bought off.
We are in deep trouble.
NIALL M ROBERTSON said:
My brother sent your comments to me, so this is my answer to him, and I am no apologist for any political party.
This is a view from a white middle class man who can only see the world through the lens of a white middle class man
We are who we think and feel we are. This is about culture. It is not about the calculation of how much of this or that is in your make up. It is about how you were brought up, who you were brought up with and who you identify with and how you see yourself. I certainly don’t see any privileged Maoris anywhere, but I know how I would feel if someone was writing this sort if thing about me and was sending it around to all his white male think-alikes and urging these think- alikes to make sure that the Maori doesn’t get too bolshy and get something that he is not entitled to. Most white people don’t suffer from this sort of racism (the above is about as racist as it gets). Le Grice seems to want to inflame racist hatred with this sort of diatribe. He will certainly feed into the white supremacist movement and may unwittingly become their poster boy.
1) Special seats in Parliament? This is being questioned by Maori as they may be better off on the general role. This was a Pakeha idea.
2) So called Maori businesses. Various Iwi have gone into business and done very well for themselves. Maori are very good business people and are becoming very productive. They also work together as groups better than Pakeha culture does. About three quarters of the people in New Zealand worth over $50 million pay less tax than the person on the minimum wage. They are white (from ‘Too Much Money’, a book I am reading by economist Max Rashbrooke).
3) I am glad that they get into medical school this way. The reason for that is that we want doctors who can treat Maori patients and educate them in a way that they can accept so that we can get their bad health statistics down, such as diabetes, glandular fever (a third world disease) as well as the usual obesity, heart disease etc. Based on Le Grise’s formula, we would be overrun by Asian doctors. Also someone may get 94% in an exam, but may not have a good bedside manner, or may just clear off to where he will make lots of money and not be much of an asset to NZ. I have worked very closely with Maori patients, nurses and doctors, and I know the cultural problems in health sector which is a bit difficult to explain to white middle class people who only see things through the white persons prism. You see most Maori have not done well living in a world dominated by another culture having been turfed off your land and subsequently treated like a second class citizen (certainly with no land rights) while the dominant culture ignores the agreement made with the leaders of your people. You now have to adapt and are expected to assimilate (was government policy) into Pakeha NZ culture. This means to speak English (not Maori – seen as a dead language) and for the most part turn your back on your culture. By the mid 20th Century the Pakeha culture was urbanizing and Maori people, to survive, had to go from their homelands to cities for work. I worked with a lot of these people in the Winstones Quarry. In those days there was plenty of work (Winstones, freezing works, railways, wharves, and so on) These people were happy, but I observed their spending habitrsa. The Maori was not a sophisticated person. He lived for the day. The money was for rent, food, electricity and beer. By payday, it was all gone and we were working all the hours God gave, and they were hard workers. But there was no concept of saving for he children’s education or to buy a house. That was for the Pakeha to worry about. The Maori just wanted to get by day by day. His boys could work for the railway too. Not so. Inflation and oil shocks of the 70’s led to some downsizing. Thewn Muldoon lost the plot and the country began to deteriorate very rapidly. In came Labour with Rogernomics, and the neo-liberal economic system came in. Thousasnds were thrown out of work from freezing works, the railways, Winstones, etc. Those children were just entering the workforce then, as their fathers were made unemployed. Mass unemployment and wages screwed down subsequent to legislation that put unions in straightjackets. Around 1980, street drugs started to proliferate in NZ, just in time to catch all of those in various statyes of depression and depair. Note, these people are effectively suffering these stresses away from their elders and their homeland, and are expected to adapt. They are shocked and generally overwhelmed. It is called culture shock. So booze and drugs become important, and all the figures go up. We see increases in suicide, alcohol and drug abuse, domestic violence, street violence, gang membership, murder and crime in general and lots more white middle class millionaires. Then National reduces the benefits as too many able bodied white people were bludging on benefits. What should also be noted is that even in the times of full employment through the 50’;s & 60’s many Maori still didn’t cope well as they weren’t brought up to live in a white man’s city. So there was depression, anger, anxiety and poor coping skills from the get go.
This is an interesting stat. In the UK people of African origins from Africa and the Carribean were brought over to fill job shortages. It was noted that the firsat generation of these people had a rate of psychosis that was twice that of the native Brits. However, the Asians from Hong Kong and those from the Indian continent had no differences in their rate. That is because those cultures were sophisticated enough for them to cope. However, the second generation on African people who were born in the UK grew up and presented with a psychotic rate of five times that of the native Brits That was because unlike their parents, they did not know their original culture, and the culture they were growing upo in wasn’t actually theirs. We all know there are nice white people who are thoughtful and king, but if you are black in the UK you are more likely to be influenced by those that tell you to go back to where you came from, or called you a nigger or just looked at you as if you were from Mars. White people have little understanding of the effect of these things as we seldom experience them ourselves. In NZ there were was only one ever admission into a psychiatric facility by a Maori person (c1904 in the Bay of Plenty) up until the year 1948 when the second admission occurred. By 1980, Maori admissions equaled those of white people, but they were just 12% of the population and their readmission rates were much higher than other NZers. This is the effect of culture shock.
Now add into this, poor parenting by drunk and drug, often violent parents and social welfare stepping in and removing children, often going to homes where they were severely punished and often physically and/or sexually abused. I worked many a patient that left home and became a street kid from about the age of 10 or 11. One of my patients had a sister when they both fled a wicked aunt who cared for them after their parents were tragically killed in a motor accident. They could not take the abuse. One thing I remember is that TVNZ did a documentary on their situation (children living in the street – I watched it about 10 years before I worked with the patient of course). What astounded me was that after the documentary was completed all the adults cleared off and left these kids on the street. Even the documentary itself never triggered a service agency to do something about these children. Of course, by the time I was working with this young man he had damaged his brain by inhaling too many paint and petrol fumes. You do that to change your reality when you are that unhappy. His sister lives with three children and a woman beater, and of course is very dependent on the state still as she has not matured properly mentally, emotionally and because she never had an education after the age of 10.
So Maoris are very untrusting of Pakehas in general (many feel the racism and the judgements as per above) and official authorities in particular. Quite often when Maoris agree on a path with a Pakeha, he seems to come off worse. Children are more likel;y to be taken from parents of Maoris, Maoris are more likely to be arrested, and are also more likely to get a jail sentence. By the same token they are also more likely to be turned down for rental accommodation or a loan.
So as a nurse, I did my Taha Maori and learned to work with Maori in a culturally appropriate way, and I learned that there was a gulf between what I thought Maori understood of our culture and what they really understood, and what I thought I knew about Maori culture and what I really did know.
Maori are mostly very frightened when they are in our hospitals getting Pakeha care and medicines, as whenever they have experienced Pakeha authority they have had a bad experience., and they hear stories of reactions to medicines and misdiagnoses, and, of course, someone getting carted off to the psych ward and put on powerful long term mind numbing medication because they had an anxiety attack in A&E.
When I started at Kingseat they had just started a Maori cultural ward for Maori patients. Titifai had started the Carrington one. Titifai was a cleaner with a lot of ideas and got the ear of the then principal nurse Ann Murphy who employed Titifai as the Manager of the unit. Both these units did not do well as there were few registered Maori nurses or doctors.
Judge Mason led a fantastic inquiry and managed to identify all of the shortfalls in psychiatry, one of the major ones being the lack of culturally appropriate care for Maoris in Mental Health.
Shortly after that the Mason clinic opened (named after said judge) and we set the template for, not just forensic care, but also for cultural care for Australasia. All forensic psychiatric facilities in Australia based themselves on the Mason Clinic (as they did elsewhere in NZ) and many of our clinicians went to Australia tro work in these facilities. A very good colleague of mine Heinz Albrecht went to Brisbane to take up the role of Director of Forensic psychiatry there. Heinz was the psychiatrist in the acute admitting ward I was managing at the time.
Actually, Maori will not be compulsory, but it will be taught, and the nursing students that I was mentoring when they came to Mason Clinic had an excellent understanding of Maori culture and when we had their powhiri, they were able to handle their pipiha well and had well rehearsed waiata to share. This is good to see. Most young Kiwi blokes can now do a haka, which actually brings tears to your eyes when you see it done in somewhere like London (when the All Blacks win or something similar) Maori culture is a bigger part of our Kiwi culture now than it used to be and I’m just fine with that.
As I have many Maori friends and ex-colleagues I find Le Grice’s comments quite offensive. I think he is looking through a very narrow prism, And for someone with those letters behind his name, he needs to take off his great big apron of white entitlement and go and immerse himself in one of the local maraes where they successfully vaccinated large amounts of mostly, but not entirely, Maori people that the government couldn’t or wouldn’t get near to during Covid.
Cheers, Niall
hyden said:
Also why the fuck are these certain group of Maori’s in bed with Puppet Jacinda allowing her to meet with corrupt BlackRock Investments.
This corrupt company used AI intelligence to cause the property market inflation we see today.
hyden said:
Racism Racism Racism, Maori did alot of it before Europeans arrived….Seems like Maori did not trust their own when another culture is not around…
The Musket Invasions
In the early nineteenth century, the South Island tribes were decimated, or worse—for decimation literally means the killing of one in ten—in a series of raids carried out by North Island Māori from 1828 onwards. These new invaders from the North Island were armed with muskets, which one of their chiefs had even sailed all the way to England to purchase and bring back.
The North Island Māori eventually departed, leaving the South Islanders in a weakened position.
As all ways when something else comes along with bit more tech things change.
Look at Mayans empire, they were happily treating the surrounding tribes as fodder for their sacrificial priests, ripping hearts out. Spanish Europeans came along and things change.
My point is no human is better than the other9we all red on the inside), no human/culture should be placed up on a pedestal over another……
In 2006, the former US President Barack Obama, then a Senator, used a speech at the University of Nairobi to rail against tribalism:
“Ethnic-based tribal politics has to stop. It is rooted in the bankrupt idea that the goal of politics or business is to funnel as much of the pie as possible to one’s family, tribe, or circle with little regard for the public good. It stifles innovation and fractures the fabric of the society. Instead of opening businesses and engaging in commerce, people come to rely on patronage and payback as a means of advancing. Instead of unifying the country to move forward on solving problems, it divides neighbour from neighbour.”
https://www.nzcpr.com/the-danger-of-co-governance/
hyden said:
Another example of demonizing whites is the slave trade.
Little do people realize but Blacks were the ones that sold their own from defeated tribal enemies…..Motivations for Enslavement
One thing that many Westerners wonder about African enslavers is why they were willing to sell their own people.
https://www.thoughtco.com/african-slave-traders-44538
My point, we all blood on the inside.
hyden said:
Now I bet ya if Europeans did not colonize New Zealand, but instead used as trade post then I am pretty positive the Maori would have sold their own caught Maori slaves to Europeans. No doubt about it.
Harley said:
This is the most racists dribble I have read in a long time. If you hate Maori that much just say so, instead of pulling the old how much percentage you are.
Peter Shaw said:
The use of blood quantum as a determinant of identity was, in most people’s minds, though seemingly not yours, discredited in the years following the end of the Third Reich.
Such a standard was an unfortunate part of New Zealand’s history when it was used as recently as 1975 by successive governments for purposes of population census. It was on this basis that decisions were made about indigenous Maori. Behind it lay unchallenged beliefs in white supremacy. What you have written proves that such pernicious ideas are still with us.
Their consequences can be readily seen today from statistics about prison population, the proportion of Maori and Pasifika abused in state care, as well as poverty and health. In terms of treatment and outcomes we have long had a separatist health system.
Maori identity is not simply a matter of genetic or biological factors. The linking of racial purity and cultural validity is wrong and dangerous. The underlying assumption that Maori and Pakeha are mutually exclusive categories is not supported by facts. All of us in Aotearoa, whatever our origins, are free to choose how we identify ourselves.
Many Maori are proud to acknowledge their place according to whakapapa without claiming that it gives them special rights. Instead it makes them part of a cultural community, not merely members of a racial grouping defined by Pakeha.
What you have written is wrong, dangerous and racist.
Hayden Redwood said:
The problem with the human race is you always identify with some temporary localized body designation thus causing all types of problems, because people always identify with some localized field of thought. I’m this tribe and your that tribe, I’m black, I’m white, Asian, Hindu, Christian etc etc, so my tribe wipe you out as many Maori did do each other and same with Europeans. Bad as each other
Stopped putting us on a shelf and labeling us false body designations, we are more than this, I am a free consciousness spirit not some temporary White European or Maori, when are humans going to stop playing this game of separation. That has caused Problems for thousands of years in all colours of human race.